Comments on: Life after Prism (1.0)

By: Fabricio [Visitor]

Fabricio [Visitor] — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:58:08 +0000

@Adam Craig
Adam, the problem of this is that all the extentions and traps of the old Delphi.NET incarnation must be translated to Oxygene. Believe me, I worked with VCL.NET for 2 years and, although a brilliant result, you need to know .NET to get things working again (example: initialiation and finalization sections does not work as expected in .NET and the compiler can do NOTHING about it – the way the Framework initialize things really screw up these sections).
Prism – or better, the Oxygene compiler- it’s a translation from scratch of Object Pascal to .NET Framework, following the rules and practices of the CLR runtime platform.
Am I wrong on thinking this way, Marc?

By: Adam Craig Johnston [Visitor]

Adam Craig Johnston [Visitor] — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:44:27 +0000

I've used ShineOn, a very poor subset of the VCL.NET. No Designer and VCL.NET components. My thinking is that just VCL.NET should be in RAD Studio using Oxygene as the compiler.

By: marc hoffman [Member]

marc hoffman [Member] — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:28:59 +0000

@Adam: have you looked at ShineOn yet?

By: Adam Craig Johnston [Visitor]

Adam Craig Johnston [Visitor] — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:26:26 +0000

What they need now is to recompile VCL.NET using Oxygene for Delphi 2009

By: Lex Li [Visitor]

Lex Li [Visitor] — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:23:08 +0000

Well, The “shopping cart” is a wonderful idea. It reminds me of both Delphi for .NET and SharpDevelop.

By: Cass McNutt [Visitor]

Cass McNutt [Visitor] — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:09:30 +0000

“It seems that a lot of people who never gave Oxygene a second thought are looking at Prism now, and liking what they are seeing.”

This is the main reason I was excited and encouraged to see the deal w/Embarcadero. While Chrome/Oxygene were technically compelling, the marketing/mindshare momentum was not nearly so. I think shifting to “Prism” has and will continue to change that perception dramatically. Congrats!

By: marc hoffman [Member]

marc hoffman [Member] — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:33:56 +0000

@Sebastian: (a) yes, this is the standard Add Reference dialog, expanded with an extra tab. we have no plans to “reinvent the wheel” and replace Visual Studio UI that works fine. (b) Afaik the dialog does not load all the COM references unless/until you switch to the COM tab.

By: Sebastian P.R. Gingter [Visitor]

Sebastian P.R. Gingter [Visitor] — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:31:04 +0000

Cool :)
But from that screenshot I actually fear, that makes use of the default ‘Add Reference’ dialog and just plugs in it?

Replacing the ‘Add Reference’ dialog with a dialog that does not load all COM references in a first place would make that dialog a lot faster. But that’s a MS point after all..